I got the "PILKINGTON P.E. LTD Kite MK4" nv scope tonight

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I got the "PILKINGTON P.E. LTD Kite MK4" nv scope

Postby laiwaikei » Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:27 am

hi all

is this good scope? i search some topic at internet say it is 4X scope and have gen 2, 2+ model

how can i check it is Gen2 or Gen 2+ of my scope?

and is it really use at UK army? is it really cost more than 4000GBP!!!(i think is the crazy price....) ?

and can it compare with PVS 4 or other US made model?

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Kite scope.

Postby cj7hawk » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:08 am

Yes, the Kite is a good scope.

It does compare well with the PVS-4 - Especially if it has a Supergen or better tube... It's the one the UK army use. It may even have a significantly better image.

It's not as strong, simple or robust as a PVS-4 ( then again nothing is ) so be gentle with it when it's not mounted.

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Postby IHJ » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:24 am

Yes, the unit is/was widely used by British & other European forces under a variety of different names over quite a long period.

Pilkington became Thales & is now Qioptic (or something!).

In the US the housing was known as the Raptor. The unit was actually famous for its ruggedness (David!) but it has an inverted chevron reticle which aint much use for hunting purposes.

It could have anything from Gen 2 upwards inside.
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Rugged?

Postby cj7hawk » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:12 am

Rugged? The PVS-4 is so rugged they use it as the nose-cone on the space shuttle and as an emergency replacement axle for three different kinds of tank. It's rumored that just six of them hold up the statue of liberty and that they grind down the old ones to make Viagra.


OK, the Kite isn't as rugged as a PVS-4 but that doesn't make it "Not rugged" and it does have a reputation as a solid scope... Point taken :)

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Postby IHJ » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:02 am

Here' a link to the User Manual & some specifications (not Military)...

http://www.starlightnv.co.uk/rifle-scop ... maxi.shtml
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Postby Dino1130 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:10 am

Everyone knows the Statue of Liberty is held up by 7 PVS-4's , not 6 :lol: . They both are a very tuff scope ! I would give the PVS-4 the edge but it is kind of like comparing one tank to another. In the end they both are tanks and built very robust .
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Postby flex297 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:31 pm

IHJ wrote:Yes, the unit is/was widely used by British & other European forces under a variety of different names over quite a long period.

Pilkington became Thales & is now Qioptic (or something!).

In the US the housing was known as the Raptor. The unit was actually famous for its ruggedness (David!) but it has an inverted chevron reticle which aint much use for hunting purposes.

It could have anything from Gen 2 upwards inside.

Qioptiq, actually. :)

No less than 30 armies use the Kite, among them UK, Finland, Latvia, Lebanon, Ireland, Netherlands, Ecuador, Denmark, Belgium, Canada or Sweden.

The Kite is not known as Raptor in the US, that is a completely different model by DRS Technologies (in fact a better scope than Kite). The Kite in the US is called M937/M938 INWS (AN/PVS-505 Individual Night Weapons Sight) and was produced by Litton Electron Devices. It was never very widespread as it required a non-standard tube - a PVS-7 type but with inverted output (Litton M868 Gen2 or M869 Gen3 OMNI V).

British Kites MkIV were with EEV P8514KC Gen3 tube with 45 lp/mm, export models were usually with DEP HyperGen.
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Postby laiwaikei » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:02 am

thank you for information

:D

but i now have a new question........

this scope cant fit for scope rail of my airsoft gun(m4, m16......), it is only fit the real SA80 rifle? or what standard of the scope rail of this scope?

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Take a picture and post it.

Postby cj7hawk » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:03 am

Are you able to take a picture and post it here?

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Postby flex297 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:52 pm

laiwaikei wrote:thank you for information

:D

but i now have a new question........

this scope cant fit for scope rail of my airsoft gun(m4, m16......), it is only fit the real SA80 rifle? or what standard of the scope rail of this scope?

thank you
Airsoft? Do you REALLY want to mount this scope on something that has less than 50m firing range?

I call that a misuse of the poor KITE. I, too, have once mounted my Raptor on an airsoft rifle only to find out that I was hardly able to focus at that distance correctly.
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Postby IHJ » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:33 pm

:shock: That's taking realism to new heights!
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Postby cj7hawk » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:51 pm

flex297 wrote:
laiwaikei wrote:thank you for information

:D

but i now have a new question........

this scope cant fit for scope rail of my airsoft gun(m4, m16......), it is only fit the real SA80 rifle? or what standard of the scope rail of this scope?

thank you
Airsoft? Do you REALLY want to mount this scope on something that has less than 50m firing range?

I call that a misuse of the poor KITE. I, too, have once mounted my Raptor on an airsoft rifle only to find out that I was hardly able to focus at that distance correctly.


You know, I recall a certain someone once mounted a Thermal Imager Scope on their Airsoft rifle... :roll: PAS-13 wasn't it Flex? :lol:
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Postby flex297 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:31 pm

cj7hawk wrote:You know, I recall a certain someone once mounted a Thermal Imager Scope on their Airsoft rifle... :roll: PAS-13 wasn't it Flex? :lol:
Ehm.. yes, you got me.. Just it wasn't a PAS-13, but ELCAN SpecterIR.

I took the setup into a sim battle once, it was useless. Most of the time I was more concerned about protecting the Germanium optics from incoming BBs than about the game and tactics. A normal helmet-mounted AN/PVS-14 combined with AN/PEQ-2A has provided MUCH better service..

Quite seriously, weapon sights like SpecterIR or KITE give you a fantastic edge for 100-300 yards, for anything below 70 yards (and that includes 99,99% of all airsoft stuff) they are next to useless, in my opinion.
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Postby Dino1130 » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:27 pm

Ok guys this is killing me. Explain this whole airsoft thing as it seems to be something only popular on your side of the pond. I think paintball is more popular here. Is airsoft plastic BB's ? What is the object of the game ? How does one tell if you hit someone, in paintball it is obvious. I know this is off topic but I have always scratched my head on this game.
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Airsoft...

Postby cj7hawk » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:01 pm

It's a bit like paintball, only the teams usually take it a lot more seriously.

Think realistic looking weapons based on real-world counterparts, uniforms and equipment coupled with tactics and scenarios.

The plastic BBs don't wound but you can feel them when they hit you.

It's based on an honor system which everyone respects because otherwise no one will play with you... Basically it's the same stuff you played when you were 5 years old but never grew out of :) kind of like playing Modern Warfare 2, only without the X-box. It's usually only played by older adults on weekends though professional soldiers are also known to play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft

Except they outlawed it here in Australia :(

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